Showing posts with label Luther. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Luther. Show all posts

Sunday, June 20, 2010

Good Christian Men's Quotes on Women

     Here's a Sunday School lesson on what some venerated Catholic saints and revered Protestant reformers had to say about women.
     What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman... I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.     -- Saint Augustine
     Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way. They should, in fact, be segregated as they are the cause of hideous and involuntary erections in holy men.     -- Saint Augustine 
     Woman was merely man's helpmate, a function which pertains to her alone. She is not the image of God but as far as man is concerned, he is by himself the image of God.     -- Saint Augustine
     As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.     -- Saint Thomas Aquinas
     Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison to his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And so, to put it briefly, one must be on one's guard with every woman, as if she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil. ... Thus in evil and perverse doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good.     -- St. Albertus Magnus
     Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman.     --Clement of Alexandria,Church father, venerated as a Saint until the 17th century
     If [women] become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth--that is why they are there.     -- Martin Luther
     Woman was made for only one reason, to serve and obey man.      -- John Knox
     Wife: Be content to be insignificant. What loss would it be to God or man had you never been born.     -- John Wesley
     A wife should submit herself to the leadership of her husband. Leadership in the church should always be male.     -- Southern Baptist Convention (2000)

Here are a few extra saintly quotes, concerning slavery and heretics.

On Dealing with Heretics
     It is indeed better (as no one ever could deny) that men should be led to worship God by teaching, than that they should be driven to it by fear of punishment or pain; but it does not follow that because the former course produces the better men, therefore those who do not yield to it should be neglected. For many have found advantage (as we have proved, and are daily proving by actual experiment), in being first compelled by fear or pain, so that they might afterwards be influenced by teaching, or might follow out in act what they had already learned in word.     -- Saint Augustine, Treatise on the Correction of the Donatists,
     The Donatists were deemed heretics because they questioned the sacramental efficacy of corrupt priests.  In today's context, the Donatists would be asking the following: "Is a priest, who is a serial rapist and abuser of children or a bishop that enables abuse, really able to stand in the person of Jesus at the Mass and confer god's grace?"  Sounds like a reasonable inquiry considering the amount of harm some priests and bishops have done.
     If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy    -- Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica
     Slavery is not penal in character and planned by that law which commands the preservation of the natural order and forbids disturbance.     -- Saint Augustine
On Astronomy and the "Virgin" Birth
     To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin.     -- Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, Trial of Galileo, 1615

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Friday, November 20, 2009

Pop Goes the ELCA (Again)

     The AP reports that another Protestant denomination is spliting in the wake of the LGBT civil rights movement.  This time it's the nation's largest Lutheran denomination, The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ELCA) and its 4.8 million members.

     Back in August, delegates of the ELCA voted 559-451 to allow gays and lesbians in monogamous, committed and life-long relationships to serve as lay leaders and clergy in the ELCA.  Previously, as in the Catholic church, only celibate gays were allowed to serve as clergy.  Interesting too is the fact that there are divorced and remarried heterosexual clergy in the ELCA, and didn't Luther, a Catholic monk, run off with a Catholic nun?  So much for monogamous, committed and life-long heterosexual clergy in the ELCA.

     On Wednesday, motivated by their belief that the ELCA's allowance of openly homosexual clergy is in direct contradiction to scripture, the leaders of the Lutheran Coalition for Renewal (CORE) met and moved to begin drafting a new constitution for their official break from the ELCA.  CORE has drafted an eighteen page "resource" explaining their beef with the ELCA's "sexuality proposals." You can even get socks with the CORE logo to promote their schism!


     Ryan Schwartz, of Washington, D.C., has been charged to organize the new denomination.  The AP quotes:
    "Many of us have spent years now struggling to call the ELCA to remain faithful to the Orthodox Christianity of the last 2,000 years," Schwarz said.
     The last 2,000 years, Mr. Schwartz?  Is it just me, or didn't the Protestant Reformation take place 500 years ago?  So, does that mean you believe that the 1,500 years of Catholic history that predate your Protestant history are the true "Orthodox Christianity"?  Will CORE be adapting all of the pre-Luther teachings of the Catholic church?  You gotta love the primacy of Rome, Marian devotion, priestly celibacy, and the Lateran Councils.

     Also, if you claim to be a member of "Orthodox Christianity," does that mean your going Greek and joining the the Orthodox Church that came out of the Great Schism in 1054?  I think that they have history and semantics on their side when it comes to claiming the phrase "Orthodox Christianity."   Mr. Schwartz, you do a great disservice to history with your lazy rhetoric.

     Pope Ben's chops are probably dripping at the site of more wayward conservative Protestant factions to be gobbled up into the Catholic fold.  Who would have thought that we gays and our intrinsically depraved acts would be responsible for a new era in Catholic ecumenism?

Monday, October 5, 2009

My Hatred of Proof Texting: a Prologue


1 In the beginning was the Word (of mouth), and the Word (of mouth) was with Interpretation, and the Word (of mouth) was Interpretation.  2 The Word (of mouth) was in the beginning with Interpretation.
3 All things came to be through an intergenerational game of telephone, and without the Word (of mouth) nothing came to be in the scriptures.  What came to be 4 through the Word (of mouth) was manipulated, and this manipulation was the personal lens of the human race; 5 the manipulation exists in the darkness of the print, and the print has not overcome it.
6 A man named Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam (Roman Catholic priest) was first to analyze the origins of a text; his contemporaries Luther, Calvin and Zwingli used a Literal Interpretation.  7 Erasmus sought the truth, within a text's historical context, so that all might believe in what the author truly intended.  8 He was not the light, but was first to see the light.
9 The true Enlightenment, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.  10 Rational thought was in the Enlightenment, and rational thought came to be through the Enlightenment, but the proof-texting literalists did not know it.
               11 Religious believers came into what was their own (using their intellect), but their own churches did not accept them. 12 But those who did accept them were given the power to become scholars of the Historical Critical Method, to those who believe in the Word (of mouth), 13 who were born not by six-thousand year old inbreeding parents nor by god’s choice nor by drinking holy Spirits but of natural selection.
14 And the Word (of mouth) became flesh and made its dwelling among us in our religious texts, and we suffer its glory, the glory as of the literalists’ only Interpretation, full of superstition and bullshit.